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	<title>Comments on: Be Kind Rewind, Fan Fiction and Book Ownership (but not necessarily in that order)</title>
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		<title>By: Jo Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cora, thanks for coming by.  You&#039;re comments were right on, at least for me. I&#039;m so with you on getting angry when the unwritten contract between a show and me as a viewer is broken.  I&#039;m still pissed at Chris Carter.  He dropped the ball big time.  With lots of money should come the responsibility to those who made it possible. 

I find reactions to fan fiction vary as much as taste in books, and it&#039;s always interesting to me to hear why people do/don&#039;t like it.  Especially because so many feel so strongly about it.

All I do know is that it&#039;s good there are so many choices, not just with fan fic for those who like it, but in TV series, books, movies.  Of course, I strongly believe everyone should share my tastes...naw, that wouldn&#039;t be very fun, would it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cora, thanks for coming by.  You&#8217;re comments were right on, at least for me. I&#8217;m so with you on getting angry when the unwritten contract between a show and me as a viewer is broken.  I&#8217;m still pissed at Chris Carter.  He dropped the ball big time.  With lots of money should come the responsibility to those who made it possible. </p>
<p>I find reactions to fan fiction vary as much as taste in books, and it&#8217;s always interesting to me to hear why people do/don&#8217;t like it.  Especially because so many feel so strongly about it.</p>
<p>All I do know is that it&#8217;s good there are so many choices, not just with fan fic for those who like it, but in TV series, books, movies.  Of course, I strongly believe everyone should share my tastes&#8230;naw, that wouldn&#8217;t be very fun, would it?</p>
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		<title>By: Cora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually lurk on blogs and rarely comment, but I had to make an exception here, because this post really connected with me.

I also tend to become very emotionally invested in the lives and fates of fictional characters, both my own (where it&#039;s at least halfway acceptable) and those created by others. In my experience it is perfectly possible to feel something akin to friendship for fictional characters. These fictional friendships can last a very long time. Rereading/rewatching something I enjoyed a long time ago feels like meeting old friends again, even if the actual quality of the material is questionable.

When fictional characters I have formed a bond with begin acting out of character, I tend to get very angry. This is part of the reason why I stopped watching soap operas and reading long running comic book series altogether, because I figured out that sooner or later a new creative team would come in and ruin some or all of the character relationships I had become invested in. Interestingly, I still feel connected to many of the characters, even though I no longer follow their adventures on an ongoing basis.

At the moment - and that&#039;s why this post connected with me - I am experiencing a situation where a TV show I loved has totally changed direction for its current season and the characters behave unlike the people I met and bonded with last season. And it hurts. Not only have I lost my favourite TV show, my second favourite TV show (because this one was a spin-off of another show I also liked), I have also lost my liking for the characters. And even though it is silly and the people who tell me not to get upset, cause it&#039;s &quot;just a TV show&quot; are probably right, it feels very much like losing friends. And I&#039;m not sure if I can ever recover them, i.e. if I can go back and rewatch the episodes I liked and ignore what went wrong later. For example, I find that I cannot rewatch &lt;i&gt;The X-Files&lt;/i&gt;, a show I loved back in the day, because I cannot forget that there was no real answer to the many questions they raised and that the ending pretty much sucked. Though I still like Mulder and Scully as characters. 

As for fan fiction, I think it is a natural reaction to strong investment into a story and also a natural step in the early development of many writers. I wrote what would be called fan fiction today in my teens. Of course, I had never even heard the term back then, nor did I know that millions of people were doing the same thing as me, I always assumed I was the only one. Fan fiction is where I learned how to write dialogue, for example. And I still tend to continue a stories I liked in my head and sometimes edit things I disliked, though I now longer bother to write it down. So fan fiction as private practice writing and a transitory step towards original writing is perfectly fine. Though I do see the potential for problems when fan fiction becomes public. For starters, because I can understand how authors would be annoyed and squicked out by some of the stuff that ends up in fan fiction (and the plagiarism issue mentioned by some of the previous commenters brings the problem to a whole different level). Besides, internet fan fiction communities tend to offer beginning writers a lot of quick gratification via uncritical praise (and usually, even the worst fan fiction gets praise), which might actually stall the development of promising writers and lead them to get stuck in the fan fiction sandbox permanently.

Interestingly, I very rarely read fan fiction. I have tried it on occasion, to get a quick fix, when a series I enjoy is currently between books/seasons. But because fan fiction is essentially a very private thing describing a very personal view of the characters, it usually does not work for me, because the chance that someone else hits exactly the same view I have of the characters is very low. Besides, a lot of fan fiction is just plain badly written, usually because it is the output of beginning writers. Never mind that there are huge swathes of fan fiction, e.g. the popular practice of slashing obviously heterosexual characters, that I just don&#039;t get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually lurk on blogs and rarely comment, but I had to make an exception here, because this post really connected with me.</p>
<p>I also tend to become very emotionally invested in the lives and fates of fictional characters, both my own (where it&#8217;s at least halfway acceptable) and those created by others. In my experience it is perfectly possible to feel something akin to friendship for fictional characters. These fictional friendships can last a very long time. Rereading/rewatching something I enjoyed a long time ago feels like meeting old friends again, even if the actual quality of the material is questionable.</p>
<p>When fictional characters I have formed a bond with begin acting out of character, I tend to get very angry. This is part of the reason why I stopped watching soap operas and reading long running comic book series altogether, because I figured out that sooner or later a new creative team would come in and ruin some or all of the character relationships I had become invested in. Interestingly, I still feel connected to many of the characters, even though I no longer follow their adventures on an ongoing basis.</p>
<p>At the moment &#8211; and that&#8217;s why this post connected with me &#8211; I am experiencing a situation where a TV show I loved has totally changed direction for its current season and the characters behave unlike the people I met and bonded with last season. And it hurts. Not only have I lost my favourite TV show, my second favourite TV show (because this one was a spin-off of another show I also liked), I have also lost my liking for the characters. And even though it is silly and the people who tell me not to get upset, cause it&#8217;s &#8220;just a TV show&#8221; are probably right, it feels very much like losing friends. And I&#8217;m not sure if I can ever recover them, i.e. if I can go back and rewatch the episodes I liked and ignore what went wrong later. For example, I find that I cannot rewatch <i>The X-Files</i>, a show I loved back in the day, because I cannot forget that there was no real answer to the many questions they raised and that the ending pretty much sucked. Though I still like Mulder and Scully as characters. </p>
<p>As for fan fiction, I think it is a natural reaction to strong investment into a story and also a natural step in the early development of many writers. I wrote what would be called fan fiction today in my teens. Of course, I had never even heard the term back then, nor did I know that millions of people were doing the same thing as me, I always assumed I was the only one. Fan fiction is where I learned how to write dialogue, for example. And I still tend to continue a stories I liked in my head and sometimes edit things I disliked, though I now longer bother to write it down. So fan fiction as private practice writing and a transitory step towards original writing is perfectly fine. Though I do see the potential for problems when fan fiction becomes public. For starters, because I can understand how authors would be annoyed and squicked out by some of the stuff that ends up in fan fiction (and the plagiarism issue mentioned by some of the previous commenters brings the problem to a whole different level). Besides, internet fan fiction communities tend to offer beginning writers a lot of quick gratification via uncritical praise (and usually, even the worst fan fiction gets praise), which might actually stall the development of promising writers and lead them to get stuck in the fan fiction sandbox permanently.</p>
<p>Interestingly, I very rarely read fan fiction. I have tried it on occasion, to get a quick fix, when a series I enjoy is currently between books/seasons. But because fan fiction is essentially a very private thing describing a very personal view of the characters, it usually does not work for me, because the chance that someone else hits exactly the same view I have of the characters is very low. Besides, a lot of fan fiction is just plain badly written, usually because it is the output of beginning writers. Never mind that there are huge swathes of fan fiction, e.g. the popular practice of slashing obviously heterosexual characters, that I just don&#8217;t get.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenice, I think we&#039;re on the same page. I&#039;ve been watching TCM old movies all month. (Love with the Proper Stranger!  Big Sigh)  Some remakes are good, others just beg the questions why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenice, I think we&#8217;re on the same page. I&#8217;ve been watching TCM old movies all month. (Love with the Proper Stranger!  Big Sigh)  Some remakes are good, others just beg the questions why.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hm, so I think I am compelled to understand this too!  I guess what I thought fan fiction was is not really that at all...which is just copying someone elses work...

and I agree...if you remake a movie, do NOT make it the exact same!!!  I mean really!  One of my favorites is You&#039;ve got Mail...oh grap!  now I can not remember the original movie...it had Jimmy Stewart in it...Oh I Loved it!  And You&#039;ve got mail is the remake, but as a remake should be, with an update twist to it...so instead of notes left in your work locker, it is email...Sabrina is another remake that I loved...because they updated it...don&#039;t get me wrong though, I love the original movies too!  I love old movies period...the tragedy is that some of the old movies are really not what I consider old :)  I mean I saw the orginal release at the Movie theater!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hm, so I think I am compelled to understand this too!  I guess what I thought fan fiction was is not really that at all&#8230;which is just copying someone elses work&#8230;</p>
<p>and I agree&#8230;if you remake a movie, do NOT make it the exact same!!!  I mean really!  One of my favorites is You&#8217;ve got Mail&#8230;oh grap!  now I can not remember the original movie&#8230;it had Jimmy Stewart in it&#8230;Oh I Loved it!  And You&#8217;ve got mail is the remake, but as a remake should be, with an update twist to it&#8230;so instead of notes left in your work locker, it is email&#8230;Sabrina is another remake that I loved&#8230;because they updated it&#8230;don&#8217;t get me wrong though, I love the original movies too!  I love old movies period&#8230;the tragedy is that some of the old movies are really not what I consider old :)  I mean I saw the orginal release at the Movie theater!</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie, I&#039;ve had that same thing happen by a &quot;fan.&quot;  Totally uncool (not to mention illegal)  But I think fan fiction is a whole different thing.  I&#039;m really fascinated by the whole slash thing - primarily written by women.  I&#039;m just compelled to understand this.

And yeah, I agree about The Stand.  Man, I loved that book, although my favorite of his is The Green Mile, and I adored the movie, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie, I&#8217;ve had that same thing happen by a &#8220;fan.&#8221;  Totally uncool (not to mention illegal)  But I think fan fiction is a whole different thing.  I&#8217;m really fascinated by the whole slash thing &#8211; primarily written by women.  I&#8217;m just compelled to understand this.</p>
<p>And yeah, I agree about The Stand.  Man, I loved that book, although my favorite of his is The Green Mile, and I adored the movie, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post, Jo! I saw the previews for that movie a month or so ago and thought it looked hilarious, but had never made the fanfic connection. 

I&#039;m really on the fence about fanfic. On the one hand, I am absolutely furious about &quot;fans&quot; who simply lift the names of the characters in our books and swap them out for their favorite soap opera characters, then present the work as their own. I know it&#039;s not the same thing--that&#039;s flat-out plagiarism--but it is tied into the fanfic community because I know several authors (myself included) who this has happened to!

I do, however, understand the idea of &quot;ownership&quot; of characters you truly love. There are some books I&#039;m so close to I feel almost betrayed when I see a movie version that I think has lousy choices of actors. This happened to me with Stephen King&#039;s The Stand, one of my favorite books. I really liked the miniseries, but was just appalled by one or two of the actors chosen to play in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post, Jo! I saw the previews for that movie a month or so ago and thought it looked hilarious, but had never made the fanfic connection. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really on the fence about fanfic. On the one hand, I am absolutely furious about &#8220;fans&#8221; who simply lift the names of the characters in our books and swap them out for their favorite soap opera characters, then present the work as their own. I know it&#8217;s not the same thing&#8211;that&#8217;s flat-out plagiarism&#8211;but it is tied into the fanfic community because I know several authors (myself included) who this has happened to!</p>
<p>I do, however, understand the idea of &#8220;ownership&#8221; of characters you truly love. There are some books I&#8217;m so close to I feel almost betrayed when I see a movie version that I think has lousy choices of actors. This happened to me with Stephen King&#8217;s The Stand, one of my favorite books. I really liked the miniseries, but was just appalled by one or two of the actors chosen to play in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, Jordan about the Darwin award winners!  Very true.  But Isabel&#039;s comment made me think of last night&#039;s Best Song award, and how much I loved that they did the film in three weeks for no money.  I completely love the song, and the film, and was all sappy about their award speeches.  (Yay John Stewart for bringing her back!)  I think that&#039;s the spirit I look for in youtube.  No money, but a way to make art and put it out there.  

And another grin because the only fanfic I ever wrote was X-Files.  No desire to write another, or any other kind.  I wonder if it had something to do with how the end of the series broke my heart.  (I guess I am like that Firefly fan)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, Jordan about the Darwin award winners!  Very true.  But Isabel&#8217;s comment made me think of last night&#8217;s Best Song award, and how much I loved that they did the film in three weeks for no money.  I completely love the song, and the film, and was all sappy about their award speeches.  (Yay John Stewart for bringing her back!)  I think that&#8217;s the spirit I look for in youtube.  No money, but a way to make art and put it out there.  </p>
<p>And another grin because the only fanfic I ever wrote was X-Files.  No desire to write another, or any other kind.  I wonder if it had something to do with how the end of the series broke my heart.  (I guess I am like that Firefly fan)</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tawny, well put.  I too wonder about characters after I close the books.  Mostly, though, my keepers seem to be books where the ending is so satisfying they are complete as written.  I&#039;m striving to improve on that in my books, not giving short shrift to the all-important ending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tawny, well put.  I too wonder about characters after I close the books.  Mostly, though, my keepers seem to be books where the ending is so satisfying they are complete as written.  I&#8217;m striving to improve on that in my books, not giving short shrift to the all-important ending.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>was running doh</description>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love a lot of books and movies. Like most, I wouldn&#039;t want them changed in any way because they might lose what I love about them. I didn&#039;t grow up writing fan fic. To my knowledge, I&#039;ve never written a piece of fan fic, although I could&#039;ve when the X-Files were running. Me obsess much? *ggg* But I never felt the need. I have &#039;mentally&#039; changed the endings of movies *cough*Pirates 3*cough*, when they pissed me off. Never felt the need to write them out though. As for the subject of fan fic and the &#039;youtube&#039;, I don&#039;t like it when characters are changed if it doesn&#039;t involve a parody. Youtube has a lot of talented people on it, but it has just as many (if not more) future Darwin award winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love a lot of books and movies. Like most, I wouldn&#8217;t want them changed in any way because they might lose what I love about them. I didn&#8217;t grow up writing fan fic. To my knowledge, I&#8217;ve never written a piece of fan fic, although I could&#8217;ve when the X-Files were running. Me obsess much? *ggg* But I never felt the need. I have &#8216;mentally&#8217; changed the endings of movies *cough*Pirates 3*cough*, when they pissed me off. Never felt the need to write them out though. As for the subject of fan fic and the &#8216;youtube&#8217;, I don&#8217;t like it when characters are changed if it doesn&#8217;t involve a parody. Youtube has a lot of talented people on it, but it has just as many (if not more) future Darwin award winners.</p>
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